« You know, all the dudes that spout shit about PoC in a medieval-themed game would be inaccurate?
They never get upset about potatoes.
I had pockets full of potatoes before I bounced the fuck out of Witcher 3. Which according to its defenders takes place in _Medieval_ Poland
You know what definitely didn't exist in Medieval Poland? The potato. You know why? BECAUSE SPAIN HADN'T BEEN TO PERU YET.
And Spain wouldn't get its shit together to bring the potato back to Europe until the mid-late 16th century.
So let's say you actually believe that legends were true, that dragons and elves and noonwraiths existed in medieval Europe. Fine.
The fucking potato didn't. End of story. Your game is now COMPLETELY FUCKED ON ACCURACY.
So in conclusion: Medieval Europe had more People of Color than potatoes. This is a well-documented, easily provable fact.
Hell, the Alhambra was COMPLETED over 200 years before Europe knew what the fuck a potato was.
And guess who built the Alhambra, kids?
A man by the name of Mohammed I ibn Nasr.
Shout out to everyone posting about the other "New World" foodstuffs that didn't exist.
I had the dust up over W3 specifically in my head. And could only remember/verify potatoes in that. Didn't want to say something INACCURATE.
But yeah if your Medieval Fantasy game has potatoes, corn, tomatoes, chocolate, etc. and a stunning lack of people of color? It's wrong.
Okay, apparently I need to make an addendum to this thread.
There are twelve tweets here. Only two of them specifically refer to The Witcher and a third that tosses in Noonwraiths.
This thread didn't even come about because of The Witcher, it started from this gif: https://twitter.com/NickCapozzoli/status/809081386569256964
I leaned on Witcher briefly because of the huge "historical accuracy" pushback from this game, but this thread is broader than that.
I have no desire to fix the Witcher. I don't care about it's lore, or that a smattering of PoC got added in the DLC. Not the point.
The point is that medieval fantasy is anything but historically accurate, but its defenders always jump to using that as a reason.
And not only is medieval fantasy inaccurate, the idea that people of color not existing in medieval Europe is also inaccurate.
A lot of things exist in medieval fantasy that didn't exist in the Middle Ages (which for the record span roughly the 5th to 15th centuries)
And honestly, that's fine. I really don't care if potatoes, orange carrots, cotton, coffee, etc exist in medieval fantasy.
It's fantasy. Not reality. Dragons and magic also often exist in medieval fantasy. Again not a problem. Fantasy.
The problem is people saying that people of color CANNOT exist. That sexual violence towards women is crucial in establishing historicity.
That queer characters break immersion. And these things cannot be corrected because it wouldn't be "historically accurate."
And my point is that not only is that argument poorly conceived, it's acutely wrong from a historical perspective.
If you were concerned about historical accuracy you would include people of color in your medieval fantasy and not things like potatoes.
(And that's assuming that all those dragons and monsters weren't just metaphorical and the medieval period actually had them.)
This problem goes way beyond The Witcher. It's way older than The Witcher. It exists without The Witcher existing.
And maybe, if dragons and potatoes are a more important inclusion than black people in your fantasy, you're actually just a bigot.
And seriously, you *really* don't need to include sexual violence to establish historical tone. »