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« what you’re reading is really the revised/complete version of a series of posts I published on Tumblr between August and October 2014. »
« RESTORATIVE FANWORKS - HOW CAN YOU HELP?
(...) Start portraying (and - politely - encouraging other fans to portray) the canonically POC inhabitants of Middle Earth as People of Color. We need to stop white-washing our own fandom. And we can go one step further - we’re not really all that sure what color skin the elves and dwarves had, and the Ainur/Valar/Maiar could basically look like anything, so why not portray them as POC too? Tolkien is dead (God rest his soul) - the power is in your hands now. »
Pas encore tout lu, c'est téléchargeable ici en pdf : https://askmiddlearth.tumblr.com/guides
(NB : ya une version texte seulement mais sans les cartes, autant prendre la version normale, même si la mise en page est moins adaptée pour une lecture sur tablette/liseuse :/ )
« RESTORATIVE FANWORKS - HOW CAN YOU HELP?
(...) Start portraying (and - politely - encouraging other fans to portray) the canonically POC inhabitants of Middle Earth as People of Color. We need to stop white-washing our own fandom. And we can go one step further - we’re not really all that sure what color skin the elves and dwarves had, and the Ainur/Valar/Maiar could basically look like anything, so why not portray them as POC too? Tolkien is dead (God rest his soul) - the power is in your hands now. »
Pas encore tout lu, c'est téléchargeable ici en pdf : https://askmiddlearth.tumblr.com/guides
(NB : ya une version texte seulement mais sans les cartes, autant prendre la version normale, même si la mise en page est moins adaptée pour une lecture sur tablette/liseuse :/ )
Un Nième long post sur la diversité chez Tolkien. Je mets de côté pour un point que je trouve intéressant, c'est que l'évolution des langues chez Tolkien implique intrinsèquement qu'il a pensé/imaginé des échanges/influences/mixités culturelles des populations qui les parlent.
« But to insist that every tribe or clan was purely homogenous be to ignore Tolkien's study of cultures centered around language, and the divisions of those cultures, and the intermingling with other cultures and how they affect the languages.
He had every reason to create reasons for the languages to change and evolve. He needed a way to have a real world for his 14 languages to live in. At the time, people thought he procrastinated his academic duties to work on his fantasy stories, but his Legendarium/languages became the blueprints to showing us how philology works.
Instead of simply lecturing us about how philology works, it's like he was saying, "look, read these stories and pay attention to their names and their poems and such. The languages and their evolution are literally the most important part of any of this." »
« But to insist that every tribe or clan was purely homogenous be to ignore Tolkien's study of cultures centered around language, and the divisions of those cultures, and the intermingling with other cultures and how they affect the languages.
He had every reason to create reasons for the languages to change and evolve. He needed a way to have a real world for his 14 languages to live in. At the time, people thought he procrastinated his academic duties to work on his fantasy stories, but his Legendarium/languages became the blueprints to showing us how philology works.
Instead of simply lecturing us about how philology works, it's like he was saying, "look, read these stories and pay attention to their names and their poems and such. The languages and their evolution are literally the most important part of any of this." »
Long post sur la diversité ethnique dans les Terres du Milieu. C'est intéressant mais je retiendrais ce commentaire : « It would be nice to not need a lengthy post, complete with maps and quotations, in order to justify a few non-white actors in a television series. »
Pis à la limite cet extrait : « I am sure the Peter Jackson trilogy is somewhat responsible for this understanding of Tolkien's world. The Jackson trilogy shaped how many modern readers visualise Middle-earth, and the Jackson trilogy cast white actors in most roles, particularly the most prominent ones. There is nothing inherently wrong with this. As I said, it was Peter Jackson's (or someone else involved with the production's) choice, and there was likely nothing malicious behind this casting, with the choices made most probably being driven by expediency. »
C'est d'ailleurs un des trucs cool avec les castings plus diversifiés des films et séries de fantasy actuelles (la Roue du Temps, Rings of Power, etc), c'est que ça aura forcément un impact sur l'imaginaire 'fantasy' des gens, et ce sera une très bonne chose (et on finira par ne plus avoir besoin de longs posts pour expliquer la présence de quelques acteurs non blancs dans une série tv).
Pis à la limite cet extrait : « I am sure the Peter Jackson trilogy is somewhat responsible for this understanding of Tolkien's world. The Jackson trilogy shaped how many modern readers visualise Middle-earth, and the Jackson trilogy cast white actors in most roles, particularly the most prominent ones. There is nothing inherently wrong with this. As I said, it was Peter Jackson's (or someone else involved with the production's) choice, and there was likely nothing malicious behind this casting, with the choices made most probably being driven by expediency. »
C'est d'ailleurs un des trucs cool avec les castings plus diversifiés des films et séries de fantasy actuelles (la Roue du Temps, Rings of Power, etc), c'est que ça aura forcément un impact sur l'imaginaire 'fantasy' des gens, et ce sera une très bonne chose (et on finira par ne plus avoir besoin de longs posts pour expliquer la présence de quelques acteurs non blancs dans une série tv).
Spéculations sur l'identité des personnages représentés sur les affiches de la nouvelle série Amazon
Concerning Non-White, Second Age Hobbits, Focusing On The Books And Tolkien's Writings : tolkienfans
C'est long, quelques extraits :
« I've seen a lot of people holding forth about how, because of the travel limitations of the period, it's just simply IMPOSSIBLE for darker-skinned people to have existed outside Rhun and Harad in the Second Age. But the fact is that individual people, and whole populations, DO move from place to place throughout history, sometimes across VERY long distances. For instance, we have evidence of Black people in England going back to Roman times--in other words, Black people lived in England before English people (i.e., Anglo-Saxons) did. There are many other examples in history.
We do know that Hobbits had a range of skin tones, and that Harfoots were "browner of skin" than the other hobbits. Tolkien doesn't say how MUCH browner. You can make an assumption that they would have been light brown or olive-skinned, or you can assume that they were quite dark, but based on the text itself, all of these are just that--assumptions. »
« honestly, in a fictional universe that includes walking trees, shape-shifting man-bears, stars that are actually dragon-killing sailing ships, and whatever the hell Tom Bombadil is, ethnically diverse Hobbit communities are not really where I find the breaking point for my suspension of disbelief. »
« "Absurd." The Tolkien who was shopping around LOTR and the Silmarillion to publishers characterized as "absurd" the idea that those works could form the foundation of some English or Northern European mythology. »
« It's true, though, that the Hobbits themselves reflect England. But not an ancient, prehistoric, mythological England, really. The Hobbits are quite anachronistically modeled after English people of Tolkien's own lifetime (...) But someone made an interesting point when this recent conversation got started: Tolkien lived in Birmingham, a city whose black population has a long history. Parts of the Shire are indeed modeled after Birmingham and the greater West Midlands region. »
« I’m not saying there definitely, without a doubt, had to have been non-white hobbits in Middle-earth in the Second Age. What I’m contending is that we ought to leave space for fans to dream. »
« I've seen a lot of people holding forth about how, because of the travel limitations of the period, it's just simply IMPOSSIBLE for darker-skinned people to have existed outside Rhun and Harad in the Second Age. But the fact is that individual people, and whole populations, DO move from place to place throughout history, sometimes across VERY long distances. For instance, we have evidence of Black people in England going back to Roman times--in other words, Black people lived in England before English people (i.e., Anglo-Saxons) did. There are many other examples in history.
We do know that Hobbits had a range of skin tones, and that Harfoots were "browner of skin" than the other hobbits. Tolkien doesn't say how MUCH browner. You can make an assumption that they would have been light brown or olive-skinned, or you can assume that they were quite dark, but based on the text itself, all of these are just that--assumptions. »
« honestly, in a fictional universe that includes walking trees, shape-shifting man-bears, stars that are actually dragon-killing sailing ships, and whatever the hell Tom Bombadil is, ethnically diverse Hobbit communities are not really where I find the breaking point for my suspension of disbelief. »
« "Absurd." The Tolkien who was shopping around LOTR and the Silmarillion to publishers characterized as "absurd" the idea that those works could form the foundation of some English or Northern European mythology. »
« It's true, though, that the Hobbits themselves reflect England. But not an ancient, prehistoric, mythological England, really. The Hobbits are quite anachronistically modeled after English people of Tolkien's own lifetime (...) But someone made an interesting point when this recent conversation got started: Tolkien lived in Birmingham, a city whose black population has a long history. Parts of the Shire are indeed modeled after Birmingham and the greater West Midlands region. »
« I’m not saying there definitely, without a doubt, had to have been non-white hobbits in Middle-earth in the Second Age. What I’m contending is that we ought to leave space for fans to dream. »
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1490621017743634436.html
À propos des polémiques lancées par les fachos quand ils ont vu des acteurs noirs sur les affiches de la nouvelle série.
(via Riff)
EDIT : Et si faut vraiment parler lore. La série s'appelle Rings of Power, et au moins un anneau donné aux humains a été donné à un Easterling (Khamûl l'oriental qui venait du Rhûn) qui n'étaient probablement pas blanc. Et sur les 7 anneaux données aux 7 clans Nains, 4 clans viennent aussi du Rhûn et ne sont probablement pas tous blancs non plus.
Qui plus est les migrations existent aussi dans la Terre du Milieu (et toutes les races sont concernées, Hobbits compris), et le Gondor étant très proche du Harad, ya forcément eu des migrations entre les 2 territoires, comme des marchands ou des familles qui fuient la guerre par exemple (Au 3ème Âge, le Harad a été un temps sous la suzeraineté du Gondor, et les 2 territoires ont longtemps été en guerre. Tensions qui ont commencées au 2nd Âge d'ailleurs, période durant laquelle se passe la série d'Amazon https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Haradrim#Second_Age )
Bref, la Terre du Milieu est probablement peuplé de plein de gens non blancs.
À propos des polémiques lancées par les fachos quand ils ont vu des acteurs noirs sur les affiches de la nouvelle série.
(via Riff)
EDIT : Et si faut vraiment parler lore. La série s'appelle Rings of Power, et au moins un anneau donné aux humains a été donné à un Easterling (Khamûl l'oriental qui venait du Rhûn) qui n'étaient probablement pas blanc. Et sur les 7 anneaux données aux 7 clans Nains, 4 clans viennent aussi du Rhûn et ne sont probablement pas tous blancs non plus.
Qui plus est les migrations existent aussi dans la Terre du Milieu (et toutes les races sont concernées, Hobbits compris), et le Gondor étant très proche du Harad, ya forcément eu des migrations entre les 2 territoires, comme des marchands ou des familles qui fuient la guerre par exemple (Au 3ème Âge, le Harad a été un temps sous la suzeraineté du Gondor, et les 2 territoires ont longtemps été en guerre. Tensions qui ont commencées au 2nd Âge d'ailleurs, période durant laquelle se passe la série d'Amazon https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Haradrim#Second_Age )
Bref, la Terre du Milieu est probablement peuplé de plein de gens non blancs.
« the adaptation of masterpieces from one medium to another is as old as literature. Most of Shakespeare’s plays are re-workings of stories, poems or written history. When I moved Richard III from stage to screen, I was determined to make a good film in honour of a great play. Had I left every scene and line of the text intact in the movie, it would not have been a good one. Kurosawa’s Throne of Blood, my favourite version of the Macbeth saga, distorts Shakespeare to spectacular effect. The play which inspired it remains intact. »
— Ian McKellen, October 3, 2000
— Ian McKellen, October 3, 2000
D'autres fanedits du Hobbit sont listés là (je m'attendais pas à ce qu'il y en ait autant) https://hobbitfanedits.fandom.com/wiki/Hobbit_Fanedits_Wiki
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheHobbit/comments/7h4spx/is_dustin_lees_maple_films_fanedit_the_best/
https://vimeo.com/channels/hobbitfanedit/videos
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheHobbit/comments/7h4spx/is_dustin_lees_maple_films_fanedit_the_best/
https://vimeo.com/channels/hobbitfanedit/videos
« 2019 version, improved edit and audio »
« J.R.R. Tolkien's books touch hearts and change lives. Many great characters appear on their pages. This collection of 31 drawings is dedicated to Tolkien's heroines, both famous and less well-known. Meet the Ladies of Arda! »
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